Today the guys discuss the vexed topic of esoteric teaching and interpretation. Esoteric teaching is teaching intended to sort people into two groups–those who understand and those who do not. Why would anyone want to do that? Isn’t that elitist? Isn’t it undemocratic? Well, yes, it is those things–and Jesus undeniably spoke esoterically when he told parables–he said so in Matthew 13:10-17. The problem of esoteric teaching leads to a free-ranging conversation in which the guys get into what bugs them about contemporary approaches to interpretation as well as the subject of metaphysics (surprise, surprise).